Episode 178: Startups or Enterprise: Advice from a CPO with Ying Chen

Ying Chen is a seasoned product manager who has worked in both large enterprises and startups. She is well placed then, to discuss the pitfalls and upsides of working in both. 

Choosing which path is best for you is not straightforward, but advice on that front from someone who has worked in senior product roles at Covetrus, HubSpot, Luminoso Tech, and Quantive is worth listening to.

It was fascinating to speak to Ying on the Product Thinking podcast and understand how her learning mindset has allowed her to take different lessons from every position she’s held.

Read on to discover the key points made by Ying in our chat.

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Stephanie Rogers
Episode 177: The Evolution of User Research: A Conversation with Steve Portigal, Author of Interviewing Users

Steve Portigal is an experienced user researcher who works with organizations to uncover insights about users, improve their research practice, and aid them in their product development. Ten years ago he first published “Interviewing Users”, and he has recently released a second, updated edition of the book. 

It was eye-opening to have him on the Product Thinking podcast to find out why he felt this update was a much-needed response to the changing ways in which research is and can be conducted

Read on to discover some of the key points made by Steve in our chat.

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Stephanie Rogers
Episode 176: Harnessing the Power of Product Principles: A Conversation with Debbie Widjaja of Zero Gravity

Debbie Widjaja is the Chief Product Officer of Zero Gravity, but in her 13 year career has worked in roles with Shopify, Bulb, and Facebook just to name a few. I was delighted to welcome her onto the Product Thinking podcast to delve into her journey from Indonesia to her current role.

She explained her view on product principles and how important it is to establish them in order to guide your team in a direction that aligns with your values and the company DNA.

We covered AI, how to deliver innovation in smaller companies and what the future of product management looks like.

Read on to see what Debbie had to say.

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Stephanie Rogers
Episode 175: Evolution of Product Management and the Importance of Diverse Backgrounds with Ryan Johnson of CallRail

I recently sat down with Ryan Johnson, Chief Product Officer at CallRail to hear all about his fascinating journey in product management and how he feels the role has changed since his career began.

And it’s not only the role of the product manager that he sees as being all-change in recent years. Ryan explained to me how he sees storytelling being far more important than it used to be in boardroom environments.

Read on to hear more about Brian's journey and his valuable insights on product strategy and communication within a company.

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Stephanie Rogers
Episode 174: Integrating AI & Transforming Workflows with Anthony Maggio, VP & Head of Product at Airtable

I recently sat down with Anthony Maggio, Head of Product and VP at Airtable to discuss combating challenges within the digital supply chain, addressing strategy drift, and how Anthony is spearheading Airtable’s newest: Airtable AI. 


Airtable is all about connecting people and data, and connecting with Anthony to hear his clarity of thought and collaborative ethos, it was clear to see why he’s become such a trusted figure in this space. You can read about some of the fascinating thoughts he shared with me on AI integration below.

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Episode 173: Building a Healthy Failure Culture for Innovation and Learning with Amy Edmondson, Professor at Harvard

I was joined by a Harvard professor this week on the Product Thinking podcast. Amy Edmondson was my illustrious guest, author of the new hit book: “Right Kind of Wrong: The Science of Failing Well”. 

In our wide-reaching discussion around psychological safety and the distinction between leadership and leaders, Amy’s ideas about how we ought to be better at failing took real compelling shape. I’m excited to share with you some of the thoughts and insights that arose out of our discussion below.

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Stephanie Rogers
Episode 172: The Power of Culture: Unlocking High Performance in Your Company with Mark McNally, Chief Nobody at Nobody Studios

In this episode of the Product Thinking podcast, host Melissa Perri is joined by Mark McNally, a venture innovator who founded Nobody Studios, a startup incubator on the path to creating 100 compelling companies in the next 5 years. Join them as they discuss the fundamentals of building successful companies, the importance of culture, and the role of venture studios in supporting founders.

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Stephanie Rogers
Episode 171: Applying Military Tactics to Strategy Execution with Author Stephen Bungay

In this episode of the Product Thinking podcast, host Melissa Perri is joined by Stephen Bungay, author of The Art of Action and former Director of the Ashridge Strategic Management Centre. Join them as they explore Stephen’s approach to strategy execution. They discuss the common struggles in strategy execution and how to overcome them in your product management team.

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Stephanie Rogers
Episode 170: Unlocking the Future with the Power of Alignment with Margaret Jastrebski, SVP of Product at Tegus

In this episode of the Product Thinking podcast, host Melissa Perri is joined by Margaret Jastrebski, the SVP of Product at Tegus. Join them as they explore what it means to be a leader today. They discuss Margaret’s role at Tegus, the power of alignment within an organization, understanding sales and marketing, and the importance of a vision for execution.

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Stephanie Rogers
Episode 169: How Balancing Vulnerability with Ability is the Secret to Great Leadership with Author, Jacob Morgan

In this episode of the Product Thinking podcast, host Melissa Perri is joined by Jacob Morgan, author of “Leading with Vulnerability.” Join them as they explore what it means to be a leader today. They discuss Jacob’s personal journey to vulnerability, balancing vulnerability and competency, the importance of being self aware and many actionables to be a better overall leader.

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Stephanie Rogers
Episode 168: Cutting the Fat after a Crisis with Alex Wattrelos, Previous CPO of Sunday

In this episode of the Product Thinking podcast, host Melissa Perri is joined by Alex Wettrelos Chief Product Officer at Sunday. Join them as they explore the challenges of rapid scaling and then descaling during the 2022 tech-crisis. They discuss how Sunday, a fintech company innovating payment methods across the hospitality industry, went from an idea on a slide deck to 450 employees with $203 million of seed funding. They also touch on the differences between  product management in Europe & the US.

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Stephanie Rogers
Episode 166: Building Products and Riding the Wave of Cutting Edge AI with Darren Wilson, CPO of Soul Machines

In this episode of the Product Thinking podcast, host Melissa Perri is joined by Darren Wilson, Chief Product Officer of Soul Machines. Join them as they explore Darren’s journey to CPO of Soul Machines, a company that produces digital humanoids. They discuss the challenges of building digital avatars, keeping up with AI technology, and leveraging user feedback to shape product strategies. 

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Stephanie Rogers
Episode 164: Positioning Yourself for a Chief Product Officer Role with the CEO & Co-Founder at Artico Search

In this episode of Product Thinking, Mercedes Chatfield-Taylor, Co-Founder & Chief Executive Officer at Artico Search, joins Melissa Perri. Together, they discuss navigating the hiring landscape for Chief Product Officers, the importance of technical expertise and commercial acumen in today's market, and what the difference is between a Head of Product and a Chief Product Officer.

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Stephanie Rogers
Episode 160: The Value of Flexibility in Hybrid Work & Product Management: Jon Sadow Shares Scoop's Approach

In this episode of the Product Thinking podcast, host Melissa Perri is joined by Jon Sadow, Co-Founder & Chief Product & Technology Officer of Scoop Technologies. Join them as they discuss Scoop’s journey from a carpooling application to a software company supporting hybrid work and workplace management. They explore the dramatic impact of COVID, pivoting the business, and the benefits of embracing flexibility. They also touch on the importance of building relationships and forging connections in remote and flexible work environments, as well as the future of work and the possibilities for innovation and improvement in remote and hybrid work environments.

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Episode 159: Fueling Product-Led Growth with Leah Tharin, Interim Chief Product and Growth Office GotPhoto

In this episode of the Product Thinking podcast, host Melissa Perri is joined by Leah Tharin, Co-Founder of Bedfables. Join them as they explore the different types of growth strategies and when to use them, as well as the importance of aligning sales and product teams. Leah also talks about the power of data-driven strategies in bridging sales and product teams and how aligning with customer success fuels product-led growth.

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Stephanie Rogers